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In this digest:
Re: CIS supposed hypocrisy (Guido Heyndrickx &lt;100431.2245@compuserve.com&gt;)
Re: Dispute between Compuserve and Promo Enterprises (Karen Lofstrom
&lt;lofstrom@lava.net&gt;)
Re: Print Ads promoting Web Sites (Karen &lt;karen@gate.net&gt;)
Re: The Parallel or the Distributed model? (bcampbell@i-strategies.com
(Bruce Campbell))
Internet- Communications (soho@gandm.com (Debra M. Donohoe))
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Date: 14 Oct 1995 10:25:15 -0700
From: Guido Heyndrickx &lt;100431.2245@compuserve.com&gt;
Subject: Re: CIS supposed hypocrisy
Funny that in the midst of your raging debate on how CIS acts, I got an
unsollicited e-mail a few days ago plugging a contest that they are carrying out
in their Electronic Mall. This is e-mail and not postal mail. Do you think that
they are restricting these elsewhere unacceptable mailings to the unaware
Belgians? It seems to me that it puts an end to the controversy of what their
regulations are...
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Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:11:44 -0700
From: Karen Lofstrom &lt;lofstrom@lava.net&gt;
Subject: Re: Dispute between Compuserve and Promo Enterprises
I myself do not pretend to know what is going on, but I did find this
message apparently from Compuserve in one of the newsgroups I read. I
pass it on in the interests of having all sides represented here.
[Moderator's note: I confirmed this post via the newsgroup itself, and it
comes directly from CompuServe's internal (not user) network -- GF]
Newsgroups: alt.online-service.genie,alt.online-service.prodigy
Subject: CSI Working to Stop Unsolicited Ads
Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:00:50 GMT
Organization: CompuServe Inc.
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Message-ID: &lt;45gt82$dvg$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com&gt;
(header trimmed)
CSI Working to Stop Unsolicited Ads
Over the past few weeks, tens of thousands of CompuServe members have
received unsolicited e-mail advertisements from a corporation called
Promo Enterprises located in Pennsylvania. The company is not
associated with CompuServe and appears to be using several private
Internet service providers for their connectivity.
Because we do not want to have our members constantly receiving a flood
of unsolicited offers and advertising via their mail, CompuServe
contacted this company and asked them to please desist. The president
of the company, a Mr. Sanford Wallace, refused to consider alternatives
for distributing advertisements for his clients which offer a wide array
of products and services ranging from adult novelties to coral-based
calcium curatives.
When CompuServe addressed this with Promo Enterprises, Mr. Wallace
threatened to mailbomb and spam CompuServe members and executives if
any attempts were made to interfere with his sending out these tens of
thousands of unsolicited advertisements to our members.
Over the past few days, Promo Enterprises began acting on these threats
by sending thousands of mail messages to CompuServe members and
personnel. More disturbing was their sending of tens of thousands of
messages to members of other online services and disguising these
messages to make them look like they came from a CompuServe
representative. And, Promo Enterprises is using a World Wide Web page
to incite harassment of the CompuServe associates.
CompuServe will not tolerate this kind of harassing behavior. We are
currently exploring a number of legal options, both criminal and civil,
that will help protect our members, our associates and the members of
other online services from these types of wanton attacks. In addition,
we have contacted both the InterRamp and American Network Internet
service providers which are examining the practices of Promo Enterprises
and have expressed willingness to work with us if these types of attacks
persist in the future.
So far, we have received many complaints from members and others and we
want you to know that we are responding. We hope that both our members
and citizens on the Internet will please bear with us while we work to
put a stop to Promo Enterprises inappropriate and harassing practices.
Thank you for your time and support.
Mike Finney,
Mail Products Manager
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Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:38:18 -0700
From: Karen &lt;karen@gate.net&gt;
Subject: Re: Print Ads promoting Web Sites
At 01:38 PM 10/13/95 -0700, Internet Marketing discussion list wrote:
<i>&gt;From: "Lewis, Janet" &lt;jlewis@usatoday.gannett.com&gt;</i>
<i>&gt;* We're working with Yahoo! to provide some of the section's edit content</i>
<i>&gt;and they're linking to our public site from their News Page.</i>
I read the USA Today while sitting in the Orlando Airport and read every bit
of the section you are discussing. I am on both sides of the fence on this
issue. One side is that there are still very few users of the internet
although gaining quickly in popularity. I did pull this section of the paper
brought it home with me and pitched the rest of the paper. Because of my
interest in the net I found that this was a great idea. What kind of
response the web pages in your paper get in turn of profit producing
benefits I guess time will tell.
Janet, I think you are on the right track with these ads you produced and
probably will recieve several more ads now that these were in print. I wish
you the best!
Karen Mason
Director of Marketing and Member Services
Rockledge Country Club
Rockledge FL
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Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:41:38 -0700
From: bcampbell@i-strategies.com (Bruce Campbell)
Subject: Re: The Parallel or the Distributed model?
<i>&gt;Well, who believes that Ellison is right that the distributed</i>
<i>&gt;processing model is inappropriate for the Information Highway because a dumb</i>
<i>&gt;terminal talking to a massively parrallel computer (N-Cube) will do the job</i>
<i>&gt;more simply and more cheaply: $500 a pop?</i>
I, for another one, do not think this is going to fly. This is the
Interactive TV idea dragged out again. That dog died. A dumb terminal for
$500. Who is kidding whom? $150 and I need 10 of them in my house, or maybe
20. Hey, they better come in about $20 each.
I feel that the future is the in-home server computer with strong ties out
to the 'net on the outside, and a series of in-home (car, boat, whatever)
terminals to carry on a variety of specialized and generalized tasks.
Client/server brought down to the micro level. Of course, we need some
serious improvements in user interface etc. but I doubt that we will
survive soon with a SINGLE TERMINAL model. I don't have only one radio, or
only one timepiece, and most people don't have only one TV. Actually, I
don't even have only one computer now, they seem to sprout like bunnies
around here, and when my kids really get rolling, this place is going to
look like CompUSA.
By the way, look for the price of that computer to come in around $4,500
and to be plug and play upgradeable.
All the best,
Bruce Campbell i-strategies 212.579.9638
bcampbell@i-strategies.com <a href="<a href="http://(coming">http://(coming</a>">http://(coming</a> soon)
i for internet..interactive..information..individual..instanteous..
interconnected..innovative..intense..immersive..involving...
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Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:44:54 -0700
From: soho@gandm.com (Debra M. Donohoe)
Subject: Internet- Communications
"Andy Levy-Stevenson" &lt;andyls@pri.org&gt; wrote:
<i>&gt;...</i>
<i>&gt;I'm the Publications Specialist at my company (a public radio network), and</i>
<i>&gt;we're on the brink of unfurling its WWW page. As in many organizations, the</i>
<i>&gt;impetus for this venture has been pushed by our MIS department and the</i>
<i>&gt;Communications Department (where I work) is busy playing catch-up.</i>
<i>&gt;The more I read about Web publishing, and the more I surf, I become more</i>
<i>&gt;convinced that our Internet presence must be considered a Communications</i>
<i>&gt;priority, falling within our area. ..... Although my boss agrees, we're having</i>
<i>&gt;a tough time making our case further up the chain.</i>
Larry - although I can't point you in the direction of support for your
position, I've run across this so many times I can't count them. I've been
consulting for years and it seems that MIS thinks they are the center of the
world. At some point, someone is going to have to ask the question: who
really cares about the [issue]? i.e. Accounting: MIS doesn't care, but they
must support it. Personnel: MIS doesn't care, but they must support it.
Communications: MIS doesn't care, but they must support it. Get what I mean?
Those that have the best understanding of the proceses of marketing,
accounting, communication, et. al. are the folks who should be heading up
the TEAM that will build the solution. MIS' value as a TEAM MEMBER is to
support the goals of the Communication department. Think about it: your tax
preparer can fill out your tax return accurately, or fudge a bit here and
there, AND EVEN TELL YOU s/he fudged. But, who does the IRS come after? You
signed the tax return baby! YOU CARE.
The support team can only give you the MOST CURRENT information that will
help you make the best decision you can. Once you've decided, it's up to MIS
to implement IN SUPPORT OF YOUR GOALS, UNDER YOUR DIRECTION. I'vv been
fighting this battle for years. CIO's are all gas and no go. Pull out all
your logic skills and come up with the best defense you can. Because... sure
as the world, when MIS falls flat on its a**, you guys are the ones that
will be pulling stickers out of YOUR butts!
Best luck and PLEASE let me know what success you have.
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